tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post4553191440306378519..comments2023-10-23T12:09:24.592-07:00Comments on Timely-Atlas-Comics: Happy 100th Birthday To Carl BurgosDoc V.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06815470072568462626noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-72310935492481621432019-10-11T12:59:25.434-07:002019-10-11T12:59:25.434-07:00Terrific overview of THE unheralded founding fathe...Terrific overview of THE unheralded founding father of comics. (Bill Everett finally got real attention not so long ago.) Burgos' western comics are his least distinctive, but look at those pulp illustrations-- he COULD do cowboys & horses well, too.drivingovercanaanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07044638847400003359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-83777314864196811632018-11-11T03:25:10.687-08:002018-11-11T03:25:10.687-08:00Having spend many years studying the Mad magazine ...Having spend many years studying the Mad magazine imitations for my book Behaving Madly, I am glad to paid attention to that part of Burgos' career and showed so much of it. I have two quick comments. The half page article from Cracked #2 (May/58) p.24 has long stumped me and I do not think it is by Burgos (although some of the inking does look like his). I suggested it could be the one Cracked piece done by Sy Grudko to his daughter (although she did not recognize it as such) because the gag itself is completely similar to the So It Seems series set up by Lou Cameron in the early fifties and continued by Grudko. But stylistically it mostly resembles the work of George Stevens, who was an illustrator and cover artist for Sir! and other mens sweat magazines of the fifties for Adrian Lopez. But he only worked for Thimk. The other note is that in my book I hint that Burgos' Zany was one of the worst layed-out magazines among the bunch. The lettering was often to close to the edge of the squared text balloons, lots of stuff was not aligned properly, there was a bum character walking through the magazine (probably by Burgos) ruining many art pieces and it was generally a mess. I did not go to deep into it in the book as it did not seem the place for it, but in an article appreciating Burgos, it may be noted (if you agree). Ger Apeldoornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03633862833036214748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-37953742056671994532018-11-10T22:28:11.794-08:002018-11-10T22:28:11.794-08:00Bravo! This exhaustive research has given me a gre...Bravo! This exhaustive research has given me a greater frame of reference to my view of the entire body of Atlas covers. I've already spent a few hours pouring over it and I will return!the stiKmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304386071332495561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-47808057747970637062018-11-10T21:16:20.963-08:002018-11-10T21:16:20.963-08:00Having just been referred to this wonderful look-s...Having just been referred to this wonderful look-see by Nick Caputo from your Timely-Atlas Facebook group, Mike, regarding searching out the origins of the term "Burgosation" (copyright Dov V fer sure), I wish to categorically state this has been truly a fun absorbing enlightening read (non)labor of love. It is easy to see you had a lot of fun putting it together.<br /><br />I missed a LOT of fantastic comics history research projects during the years 2010-2017 as I was beyond absorbed focused keeping my oldest daughter Katy alive thru a series of medical nightmare surgeries. That said, am now glad Nick referred me to read thru this rather than simply say what "Burgosation" means. <br /><br />Am now going to be clicking open other of your Blog postings here to learn from. If I may make a suggestion, periodically maybe you might consider making links to various of these blog posts on to your FB page. I am sure there are others like me in the dark they even exist. Especially newer members. Also, maybe on to FB groups like Comic Book Historians, etc. After all, you want lost souls to read the, correct? Robert Beerbohmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02514676878677036242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-58276492064721234952017-04-26T13:33:43.237-07:002017-04-26T13:33:43.237-07:00Thanks for filling in all the vital record details...Thanks for filling in all the vital record details, Alex! <br />Doc V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06815470072568462626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-11263940972269055092017-04-26T06:17:02.885-07:002017-04-26T06:17:02.885-07:00I've posted some Burgos family and copyright i...I've posted some Burgos family and copyright information on my blog, Tenth Letter of the Alphabet, http://alphabettenthletter.blogspot.com/2017/04/comics-carl-burgos.htmlAlex Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961079895014060773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-56565975761145695232016-05-31T02:06:56.740-07:002016-05-31T02:06:56.740-07:00"Now we know. It was a lot. It was a ton.&quo..."Now we know. It was a lot. It was a ton." <br />Thank for your fantastic work. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-46184099077150487882016-05-18T09:06:48.030-07:002016-05-18T09:06:48.030-07:00Mitch,
There's a lot of solo Brodsky (non-Bur...Mitch,<br /><br />There's a lot of solo Brodsky (non-Burgosized) story art in the early 1950's crime comics. It's not spectacular but serviceable. Buy the 1960's he was doing very little actual art, mostly production, which I believe he liked better.<br />Doc V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06815470072568462626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-34196641087937143052016-05-18T03:16:50.196-07:002016-05-18T03:16:50.196-07:00Great piece. Dunno how you do it, Doc!
Much here,...Great piece. Dunno how you do it, Doc!<br /><br />Much here, obvs, but what was most interesting to me was an answer to something that confused me: Why Sol Brodsky's Atlas covers look so good? My actual familiarity with his work was limited to a few 60s logo and his inking on FF 3. Logos were great conceptually but (to me) a little week on execution. The FF job was awful but, I would suspect, a rush job. (I wonder: Could the first few issues been rush jobs because an Amazing Adventures strip got suddenly promoted to a full book so as soon as they started publishing, the book was running late and the first couple of issues were rush jobs? But I digress.)<br /><br />So how was the artist who underwhelmed me so much so good in the 50s?<br /><br />It wasn't Brodsky art at all but Burgosized(TM) art.<br /><br />Thanks, Doc!The Seditionisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06054750794702860380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-86697922227091016182016-05-12T17:18:42.430-07:002016-05-12T17:18:42.430-07:00Here is the conclusion of my comments/observations...Here is the conclusion of my comments/observations (not only is your post incredibly long, so are the comments!)<br /><br />Marvel Tales #141: This is another cover that suggests Everett; the robot hands and some figures, perhaps heavily Burgosized.<br /><br />Secret Story Romances 13 and Love Romances # 50: I don't know how much Burgos contributed in each story, however it looks to my like Burgos altered the man's faces in each story. <br /><br />Jann of the Jungle #9: In this case I wonder if Maneely made alterations on Burgos' cover. The tree and grass Jann is next to have a Maneely look to my eye, and we've seen other instances where he made alterations on covers, so...<br /><br />Journey into Mystery #30: Brodsky pencils?<br /><br />Mystic # 45: If you ignore the face and look at the figure and backgrounds I'm thinking perhaps a Maneely altered cover.<br /><br />Mystic #50: Something about the poses, background and woman again suggest perhaps a Burgosized Maneely cover.<br /><br />Strange Tales #52: Some Everett underneath Burgos?<br /><br />Marines in Action #10: The light, airy figures in the background and the foreground figure make me wonder if this is another Burgosized Maneely.<br /><br />Journey into Unknown Worlds #56: to my eye this is mostly Severin, with some alterations by Burgos on the hooded figure.<br /><br />Spellbound #33: In this instance I'm wondering if this is an Burgos cover with Maneely altering the man's face? <br /><br />Strange Tales of the Unusual #10, "Too Dangerous to Live". I'm seeing Paul Reinman here, although the main character's hair and features have been altered throughout and other changes made on different faces and figures. Nevertheless, there are signs of Reinman's style. The house on page 1, panel 3; the face on page 2(even with altered eyebrows and hair); panel 3, the pose on page 3; panel 5 and even the inking on that page suggest a Reinman story altered. Who knows why? <br /><br />Mystic #61: I'm not as confident on a pencil ID here, but a few figures and poses suggest Joe Certa. <br /><br />Marines in Battle #21: "Combat Jitters" Am I seeing Chris Rule inking. Something about the eyes on characters suggests Rule to me.<br /><br />Tales to Astonish #1:The more I look at this story the more I'm convinced Buscema is the pencil artist - but only on the first two pages! Page two; panels one and two have Buscema poses and distinctive faces, but after that I don't see anything recognizable as Buscema. Could he have started the story and Burgos finished it?<br /><br />As you've noted, it is hard to know exactly who did what, particularly when a number of hands may have been involved from time to time. Stan Lee could have gone to Everett and Maneely when he wasn't particularly pleased with a finished cover and asked them to correct it if Burgos wasn't there. This happened in the 60s era on covers as well. Romita was the primary go-to guy, but by the mid-60s you could have Trimpe, Marie Severin, John Verpoorten on whatever freelancer walked in the door at the moment to fix a cover, so we may never know exactly who did what on each cover, but it is worthwhile to have the opportunity to examine them. All that scanning you have done is greatly appreciated. Nick Caputohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05096100224095280865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-67478638974319940732016-05-12T17:16:40.567-07:002016-05-12T17:16:40.567-07:00Hi Mike,
It's wonderful to see an extensive o...Hi Mike,<br /><br />It's wonderful to see an extensive overview and tribute to the neglected work of Carl Burgos. I can't add anything to the history but on the art side I've looked over everything thoroughly, so here are my thoughts and observations (I'm posting it in two parts because it appears its too long to post once).<br /><br />Complete Mystery # 3: The composition of the man running has a Gene Colan feel. A possibility?<br /><br />Adventure into Terror # 10: I'm thinking this is a Burgosized Everett cover. The figure on the floor and some of the background elements, as well as the bottom vignettes, make me suspect this is the case.<br /><br />Crime Can't Win # 11 Sol Brodsky pencils? Brodksy had a tendency to draw squat figures and I see this here. His overall work tends to be a little less polished than Burgos and as you'll see I tend to credit Brodsky with more possible pencil work than you.<br /><br />Kent Blake # 9: Brodsky pencils?<br /><br />Men's Adventures # 18: Brodsky pencils?<br /><br />Strange Tales # 14: I do see signs of Mooney in this story, in particular the women's faces are distinctively his (See page 2; panel 2 for an example), but it does look like the art was heavily Burgosized.<br /><br />Combat Casey # 7: Brodsky pencils?<br /><br />Suspense #28: I believe this is an Everett cover that has been altered by Burgos. I suspect the main alteration is in the skeletal figure. The skeleton hands, background and sidebars all look like Everett's work to my eye, though.<br /><br />Justice # 36: Sol Brodsky pencils? There is a difference in the faces.<br /><br />Battlefront # 12: Sol Brodsky pencils?<br /><br />Justice #39: Sol B pencils?<br /><br />Mystic #24: Everett sidebar art? Look at the middle "Gargoyle" in particular.<br /><br />Adventures into Terror #26: Sol Brodsky pencils?<br /><br />Combat Casey #13: Sol Brodsky pencils?<br /><br />Adventures into Weird Worlds #30: I'm getting a hint of Maneely on this cover. Take a look at the man's face and inking of the folds on his clothes. Could this have been another Burgosized Maneely cover? We've seen a number that, unless signed, are hard pressed to tell. <br /><br />Strange Tales # 30: Maneely underneath? The face and hands look nothing like Maneely, but the rest of the body and parts of the cover suggest possible Burgosized Maneely. These are all gut feelings and I'm going to throw them out to you, because I've got nothing to loose and I know you long enough that you won't think me insane!<br /><br />Sub-Mariner #35: Brodsky pencils?<br /><br />Crime Fighters #13: Brodsky pencils?<br /><br />Strange Tales #36:I wonder if there could be Everett inking on this cover? Something about the detail in the buildings.<br /><br />I'll conclude in my next comment... Nick Caputohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05096100224095280865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-39481849803078291522016-05-11T16:49:52.665-07:002016-05-11T16:49:52.665-07:00Ok,I sorted it out. 4 issues of Captain marvel and...Ok,I sorted it out. 4 issues of Captain marvel and 2 issues of Capt. Marvel Presents the Terrible 5. That's 6 total. You are correct. Doc V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06815470072568462626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-63019155353428910122016-05-11T04:50:37.976-07:002016-05-11T04:50:37.976-07:00Overstreet says 4 issues with a name change to &qu...Overstreet says 4 issues with a name change to "Capt. Marvel presents the Terrible Five" for issue #5. So since I don't have the issues, I have no idea who is right.Doc V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06815470072568462626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7355407830694029222.post-51195545317795472352016-05-11T03:38:38.619-07:002016-05-11T03:38:38.619-07:00Captain Marvel from Fass actually lasted 6 issues....Captain Marvel from Fass actually lasted 6 issues.darkmarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11144840493021306651noreply@blogger.com